View Full Version : CIRRUS ROLLS OUT 'THE JET'
Larry Dighera
June 27th 08, 12:29 PM
Now this IS rather revolutionary:
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    FOR THE LATEST BREAKING NEWS, VISIT: http://www.avweb.com
    >>> The Big Reveal
    CIRRUS ROLLS OUT 'THE JET' 
(http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/CirrusRollsOut_TheJet_198192-1.html)
    Well, we still don't know its real name and we're not sure if it
    got out of the massive former Northwest Airlines A320 maintenance
    hangar on its own power but it sure looks like Cirrus's new family
    jet is ready to fly. ...EAA AirVenture are hoping for as the jet
    is obviously nearing first flight. The aircraft was formally
    introduced exactly a year ago at last year's Cirrus Migration and
    more than 400 refundable deposits of $100,000 have been received.
      CLICK FOR LARGE IMAGES
       (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_07.jpg)
       (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_03.jpg)
       (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_05.jpg)
       (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_02.jpg)
       (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_06.jpg)
       (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_04.jpg)
       (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_01.jpg)
   
    http://www.the-jet.com/infobase.html
    NEARLY READY TO TAXI
    
    June 2008. During the past few months the Advanced Development
    Group has achieved several significant milestones related to the
    goal of First Flight of the-jet. While these pictures do not
    adequately capture the total determination, focus and energy that
    is happening on this project right now, they do give you a sense
    of just how far we have come lately and how close we are to
    realizing First Flight.
    
    Construction of the test aircraft you see here, called "V1", is
    complete. Earlier this week, the ADG build team and engineers
    ceremoniously handed the keys over to the ADG flight test crew.
    The flight test team will now complete a very methodical process
    to ensure V1 is ready to fly safely and within very specific
    flight parameters set for the initial flight. Even at this
    critical stage the team is approaching its work and the impending
    flight schedule with the same careful diligence and thoughtful
    planning as they have from the onset of the program.
    
    Our next update will be shortly after the inaugural flight of
    the-jet. 
    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet1.jpg
    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet2.jpg
    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet3.jpg
    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet4.jpg
    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet5.jpg
    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet6.jpg
    http://www.the-jet.com/pdf/specifications.pdf
    PERSONAL JET
    OWNER FLOWN
    EASY TO FLY
    SINGLE-ENGINE WILLIAMS INTERNATIONAL FJ33-4A-19 FANJET
    COCKPIT TECHNOLOGY OPTIMIZED FOR SINGLE-PILOT OPERATION
    CAPS™ PARACHUTE STANDARD EQUIPMENT
    EASY ENTRY FOR BOARDING AND LOADING
    FLEXIBLE SEATING CONFIGURATIONS: 5+2 SEATING
    (5 FULL SIZE ADULTS RECLINING + 2 STOW-AWAY SEATS)
    PRESSURIZED CABIN FOR COMFORT
    LARGE WINDOWS
    KNOWN ICING CERTIFIED
    IMPRESSIVE CLIMB RATE
    PAYLOAD AND FUEL TO MEET MAJORITY OF MISSION PROFILES AND
    PROVIDE MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY
    HI-SPEED CRUISE GOAL - ABOUT 300 KTS
    RANGE GOAL - NBAA IFR ABOUT 1000 NM (MEDIUM LOADING)
    MAX OPERATING ALTITUDE - 25,000 FT
    LOW APPROACH SPEEDS - SIMILAR TO THE SR22
    FITS IN MOST STANDARD 40’ WIDE GA HANGARS AND MANY T-HANGARS
    LOW OPERATING COST
    OPTIMAL ENGINE PLACEMENT FOR PERFORMANCE, NOISE REDUCTION, FOD,
    ACCESSIBILITY, INTERIOR SPACE, AND PASSENGER COMFORT
    EASY TRANSITION FROM SR22 AND SR22 TURBO
    3 PANTONE COLORS : 429 • 7406 • BLACK
    PLANE GENIUSTM
    the-jet.com 866.880.6152
    Video (animated): http://www.the-jet.com/wmv/the-jet-high.wmv
On Jun 27, 6:29 am, Larry Dighera > wrote:
> Now this IS rather revolutionary:
>
>  -------------------------------------------------------------------
>     AVwebALERT     AVweb Breaking News Alert -- June 27, 2008
>  -------------------------------------------------------------------
>     FOR THE LATEST BREAKING NEWS, VISIT:http://www.avweb.com
>
>     >>> The Big Reveal
>
>     CIRRUS ROLLS OUT 'THE JET'
>
> (http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/CirrusRollsOut_TheJet_198192-1.html)
>
>     Well, we still don't know its real name and we're not sure if it
>     got out of the massive former Northwest Airlines A320 maintenance
>     hangar on its own power but it sure looks like Cirrus's new family
>     jet is ready to fly. ...EAA AirVenture are hoping for as the jet
>     is obviously nearing first flight. The aircraft was formally
>     introduced exactly a year ago at last year's Cirrus Migration and
>     more than 400 refundable deposits of $100,000 have been received.
>
>       CLICK FOR LARGE IMAGES
>
>        (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_07.jpg)
>        (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_03.jpg)
>        (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_05.jpg)
>        (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_02.jpg)
>        (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_06.jpg)
>        (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_04.jpg)
>        (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_01.jpg)
>
>    http://www.the-jet.com/infobase.html
>     NEARLY READY TO TAXI
>
>     June 2008. During the past few months the Advanced Development
>     Group has achieved several significant milestones related to the
>     goal of First Flight of the-jet. While these pictures do not
>     adequately capture the total determination, focus and energy that
>     is happening on this project right now, they do give you a sense
>     of just how far we have come lately and how close we are to
>     realizing First Flight.
>
>     Construction of the test aircraft you see here, called "V1", is
>     complete. Earlier this week, the ADG build team and engineers
>     ceremoniously handed the keys over to the ADG flight test crew.
>     The flight test team will now complete a very methodical process
>     to ensure V1 is ready to fly safely and within very specific
>     flight parameters set for the initial flight. Even at this
>     critical stage the team is approaching its work and the impending
>     flight schedule with the same careful diligence and thoughtful
>     planning as they have from the onset of the program.
>
>     Our next update will be shortly after the inaugural flight of
>     the-jet.
>    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet1.jpg
>    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet2.jpg
>    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet3.jpg
>    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet4.jpg
>    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet5.jpg
>    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet6.jpg
>
>    http://www.the-jet.com/pdf/specifications.pdf
>     PERSONAL JET
>     OWNER FLOWN
>     EASY TO FLY
>     SINGLE-ENGINE WILLIAMS INTERNATIONAL FJ33-4A-19 FANJET
>     COCKPIT TECHNOLOGY OPTIMIZED FOR SINGLE-PILOT OPERATION
>     CAPS™ PARACHUTE STANDARD EQUIPMENT
>     EASY ENTRY FOR BOARDING AND LOADING
>     FLEXIBLE SEATING CONFIGURATIONS: 5+2 SEATING
>     (5 FULL SIZE ADULTS RECLINING + 2 STOW-AWAY SEATS)
>     PRESSURIZED CABIN FOR COMFORT
>     LARGE WINDOWS
>     KNOWN ICING CERTIFIED
>     IMPRESSIVE CLIMB RATE
>     PAYLOAD AND FUEL TO MEET MAJORITY OF MISSION PROFILES AND
>     PROVIDE MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY
>     HI-SPEED CRUISE GOAL - ABOUT 300 KTS
>     RANGE GOAL - NBAA IFR ABOUT 1000 NM (MEDIUM LOADING)
>     MAX OPERATING ALTITUDE - 25,000 FT
>     LOW APPROACH SPEEDS - SIMILAR TO THE SR22
>     FITS IN MOST STANDARD 40’ WIDE GA HANGARS AND MANY T-HANGARS
>     LOW OPERATING COST
>     OPTIMAL ENGINE PLACEMENT FOR PERFORMANCE, NOISE REDUCTION, FOD,
>     ACCESSIBILITY, INTERIOR SPACE, AND PASSENGER COMFORT
>     EASY TRANSITION FROM SR22 AND SR22 TURBO
>     3 PANTONE COLORS : 429 • 7406 • BLACK
>     PLANE GENIUSTM
>     the-jet.com 866.880.6152
>
>     Video (animated):http://www.the-jet.com/wmv/the-jet-high.wmv
There's so much I don't know about airplane design, but don't recall
ever seeing structure so close to the exhaust plume of a jet engine
before. I'd have guessed having thrust be in line with the center of
gravity would have been a design goal, but they know more about design
than I ever will. Never the less, what a beautiful airplane that is.
Do they take American Express?
Frank Olson
June 27th 08, 03:35 PM
 wrote:
> On Jun 27, 6:29 am, Larry Dighera > wrote:
>> Now this IS rather revolutionary:
>>
>>  -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     AVwebALERT     AVweb Breaking News Alert -- June 27, 2008
>>  -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     FOR THE LATEST BREAKING NEWS, VISIT:http://www.avweb.com
>>
>>     >>> The Big Reveal
>>
>>     CIRRUS ROLLS OUT 'THE JET'
>>
>> (http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/CirrusRollsOut_TheJet_198192-1.html)
> There's so much I don't know about airplane design, but don't recall
> ever seeing structure so close to the exhaust plume of a jet engine
> before. I'd have guessed having thrust be in line with the center of
> gravity would have been a design goal, but they know more about design
> than I ever will. Never the less, what a beautiful airplane that is.
> Do they take American Express?
I agree...  She's quite a beauty.
Darkwing
June 27th 08, 04:01 PM
> wrote in message 
...
On Jun 27, 6:29 am, Larry Dighera > wrote:
> Now this IS rather revolutionary:
>
>  -------------------------------------------------------------------
>     AVwebALERT     AVweb Breaking News Alert -- June 27, 2008
>  -------------------------------------------------------------------
>     FOR THE LATEST BREAKING NEWS, VISIT:http://www.avweb.com
>
>     >>> The Big Reveal
>
>     CIRRUS ROLLS OUT 'THE JET'
>
> (http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/CirrusRollsOut_TheJet_198192-1.html)
>
>     Well, we still don't know its real name and we're not sure if it
>     got out of the massive former Northwest Airlines A320 maintenance
>     hangar on its own power but it sure looks like Cirrus's new family
>     jet is ready to fly. ...EAA AirVenture are hoping for as the jet
>     is obviously nearing first flight. The aircraft was formally
>     introduced exactly a year ago at last year's Cirrus Migration and
>     more than 400 refundable deposits of $100,000 have been received.
>
>       CLICK FOR LARGE IMAGES
>
>        (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_07.jpg)
>        (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_03.jpg)
>        (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_05.jpg)
>        (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_02.jpg)
>        (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_06.jpg)
>        (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_04.jpg)
>        (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_01.jpg)
>
>    http://www.the-jet.com/infobase.html
>     NEARLY READY TO TAXI
>
>     June 2008. During the past few months the Advanced Development
>     Group has achieved several significant milestones related to the
>     goal of First Flight of the-jet. While these pictures do not
>     adequately capture the total determination, focus and energy that
>     is happening on this project right now, they do give you a sense
>     of just how far we have come lately and how close we are to
>     realizing First Flight.
>
>     Construction of the test aircraft you see here, called "V1", is
>     complete. Earlier this week, the ADG build team and engineers
>     ceremoniously handed the keys over to the ADG flight test crew.
>     The flight test team will now complete a very methodical process
>     to ensure V1 is ready to fly safely and within very specific
>     flight parameters set for the initial flight. Even at this
>     critical stage the team is approaching its work and the impending
>     flight schedule with the same careful diligence and thoughtful
>     planning as they have from the onset of the program.
>
>     Our next update will be shortly after the inaugural flight of
>     the-jet.
>    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet1.jpg
>    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet2.jpg
>    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet3.jpg
>    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet4.jpg
>    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet5.jpg
>    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet6.jpg
>
>    http://www.the-jet.com/pdf/specifications.pdf
>     PERSONAL JET
>     OWNER FLOWN
>     EASY TO FLY
>     SINGLE-ENGINE WILLIAMS INTERNATIONAL FJ33-4A-19 FANJET
>     COCKPIT TECHNOLOGY OPTIMIZED FOR SINGLE-PILOT OPERATION
>     CAPS™ PARACHUTE STANDARD EQUIPMENT
>     EASY ENTRY FOR BOARDING AND LOADING
>     FLEXIBLE SEATING CONFIGURATIONS: 5+2 SEATING
>     (5 FULL SIZE ADULTS RECLINING + 2 STOW-AWAY SEATS)
>     PRESSURIZED CABIN FOR COMFORT
>     LARGE WINDOWS
>     KNOWN ICING CERTIFIED
>     IMPRESSIVE CLIMB RATE
>     PAYLOAD AND FUEL TO MEET MAJORITY OF MISSION PROFILES AND
>     PROVIDE MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY
>     HI-SPEED CRUISE GOAL - ABOUT 300 KTS
>     RANGE GOAL - NBAA IFR ABOUT 1000 NM (MEDIUM LOADING)
>     MAX OPERATING ALTITUDE - 25,000 FT
>     LOW APPROACH SPEEDS - SIMILAR TO THE SR22
>     FITS IN MOST STANDARD 40’ WIDE GA HANGARS AND MANY T-HANGARS
>     LOW OPERATING COST
>     OPTIMAL ENGINE PLACEMENT FOR PERFORMANCE, NOISE REDUCTION, FOD,
>     ACCESSIBILITY, INTERIOR SPACE, AND PASSENGER COMFORT
>     EASY TRANSITION FROM SR22 AND SR22 TURBO
>     3 PANTONE COLORS : 429 • 7406 • BLACK
>     PLANE GENIUSTM
>     the-jet.com 866.880.6152
>
>     Video (animated):http://www.the-jet.com/wmv/the-jet-high.wmv
>There's so much I don't know about airplane design, but don't recall
>ever seeing structure so close to the exhaust plume of a jet engine
>before. I'd have guessed having thrust be in line with the center of
>gravity would have been a design goal, but they know more about design
>than I ever will. Never the less, what a beautiful airplane that is.
>Do they take American Express?
I hope you have the black card! I wondered the same thing on the exhaust but 
I think the engine exhaust nozzle sits up higher off the fuselage than the 
photos do it justice.
On Jun 27, 10:01 am, "Darkwing" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Jun 27, 6:29 am, Larry Dighera > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Now this IS rather revolutionary:
>
> >  -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >     AVwebALERT     AVweb Breaking News Alert -- June 27, 2008
> >  -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >     FOR THE LATEST BREAKING NEWS, VISIT:http://www.avweb.com
>
> >     >>> The Big Reveal
>
> >     CIRRUS ROLLS OUT 'THE JET'
>
> > (http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/CirrusRollsOut_TheJet_198192-1.html)
>
> >     Well, we still don't know its real name and we're not sure if it
> >     got out of the massive former Northwest Airlines A320 maintenance
> >     hangar on its own power but it sure looks like Cirrus's new family
> >     jet is ready to fly. ...EAA AirVenture are hoping for as the jet
> >     is obviously nearing first flight. The aircraft was formally
> >     introduced exactly a year ago at last year's Cirrus Migration and
> >     more than 400 refundable deposits of $100,000 have been received.
>
> >       CLICK FOR LARGE IMAGES
>
> >        (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_07.jpg)
> >        (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_03.jpg)
> >        (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_05.jpg)
> >        (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_02.jpg)
> >        (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_06.jpg)
> >        (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_04.jpg)
> >        (http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cirrus_the-jet_rollout_01.jpg)
>
> >    http://www.the-jet.com/infobase.html
> >     NEARLY READY TO TAXI
>
> >     June 2008. During the past few months the Advanced Development
> >     Group has achieved several significant milestones related to the
> >     goal of First Flight of the-jet. While these pictures do not
> >     adequately capture the total determination, focus and energy that
> >     is happening on this project right now, they do give you a sense
> >     of just how far we have come lately and how close we are to
> >     realizing First Flight.
>
> >     Construction of the test aircraft you see here, called "V1", is
> >     complete. Earlier this week, the ADG build team and engineers
> >     ceremoniously handed the keys over to the ADG flight test crew.
> >     The flight test team will now complete a very methodical process
> >     to ensure V1 is ready to fly safely and within very specific
> >     flight parameters set for the initial flight. Even at this
> >     critical stage the team is approaching its work and the impending
> >     flight schedule with the same careful diligence and thoughtful
> >     planning as they have from the onset of the program.
>
> >     Our next update will be shortly after the inaugural flight of
> >     the-jet.
> >    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet1.jpg
> >    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet2.jpg
> >    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet3.jpg
> >    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet4.jpg
> >    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet5.jpg
> >    http://www.the-jet.com/news/downloads/jet6.jpg
>
> >    http://www.the-jet.com/pdf/specifications.pdf
> >     PERSONAL JET
> >     OWNER FLOWN
> >     EASY TO FLY
> >     SINGLE-ENGINE WILLIAMS INTERNATIONAL FJ33-4A-19 FANJET
> >     COCKPIT TECHNOLOGY OPTIMIZED FOR SINGLE-PILOT OPERATION
> >     CAPS™ PARACHUTE STANDARD EQUIPMENT
> >     EASY ENTRY FOR BOARDING AND LOADING
> >     FLEXIBLE SEATING CONFIGURATIONS: 5+2 SEATING
> >     (5 FULL SIZE ADULTS RECLINING + 2 STOW-AWAY SEATS)
> >     PRESSURIZED CABIN FOR COMFORT
> >     LARGE WINDOWS
> >     KNOWN ICING CERTIFIED
> >     IMPRESSIVE CLIMB RATE
> >     PAYLOAD AND FUEL TO MEET MAJORITY OF MISSION PROFILES AND
> >     PROVIDE MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY
> >     HI-SPEED CRUISE GOAL - ABOUT 300 KTS
> >     RANGE GOAL - NBAA IFR ABOUT 1000 NM (MEDIUM LOADING)
> >     MAX OPERATING ALTITUDE - 25,000 FT
> >     LOW APPROACH SPEEDS - SIMILAR TO THE SR22
> >     FITS IN MOST STANDARD 40’ WIDE GA HANGARS AND MANY T-HANGARS
> >     LOW OPERATING COST
> >     OPTIMAL ENGINE PLACEMENT FOR PERFORMANCE, NOISE REDUCTION, FOD,
> >     ACCESSIBILITY, INTERIOR SPACE, AND PASSENGER COMFORT
> >     EASY TRANSITION FROM SR22 AND SR22 TURBO
> >     3 PANTONE COLORS : 429 • 7406 • BLACK
> >     PLANE GENIUSTM
> >     the-jet.com 866.880.6152
>
> >     Video (animated):http://www.the-jet.com/wmv/the-jet-high.wmv
> >There's so much I don't know about airplane design, but don't recall
> >ever seeing structure so close to the exhaust plume of a jet engine
> >before. I'd have guessed having thrust be in line with the center of
> >gravity would have been a design goal, but they know more about design
> >than I ever will. Never the less, what a beautiful airplane that is.
> >Do they take American Express?
>
> I hope you have the black card! I wondered the same thing on the exhaust but
> I think the engine exhaust nozzle sits up higher off the fuselage than the
> photos do it justice.
If the aft end is made of Ti or the like it wouldn't matter, but no
matter what I expect after a few hundred hours the paint back there is
going to be compromised. This reminds me of a handbuilt wooden canoe I
saw on display up in Maine once. It was so perfect I'd now have wanted
to risk scratching its bottom on lakebed, let alone in quick water.
This airplane is like that -- it looks like it belongs in a Modern Art
Museum, as a concept.
I hope it flies as nicely as it looks.
Michael Henry[_2_]
June 28th 08, 12:54 PM
> Do they take American Express?
Yours for just $59 :)
http://www.x-plane.com/
Peter Dohm
July 4th 08, 11:29 PM
> There's so much I don't know about airplane design, but don't recall
> ever seeing structure so close to the exhaust plume of a jet engine
> before. I'd have guessed having thrust be in line with the center of
> gravity would have been a design goal, but they know more about design
> than I ever will. Never the less, what a beautiful airplane that is.
> Do they take American Express?
IIRC, some of the very early jets--especially German--were built exactly 
this way.
It should have an added advantage in being unlikely to injest foreign matter 
from the ground or thrown by the tires; but early rotation has been an issue 
on various jets in the past.
In any case, it is very, very cool!
Peter
More_Flaps
July 5th 08, 12:29 AM
On Jul 5, 9:29*am, "Peter Dohm" > wrote:
> > There's so much I don't know about airplane design, but don't recall
> > ever seeing structure so close to the exhaust plume of a jet engine
> > before. I'd have guessed having thrust be in line with the center of
> > gravity would have been a design goal, but they know more about design
> > than I ever will. Never the less, what a beautiful airplane that is.
> > Do they take American Express?
>
> IIRC, some of the very early jets--especially German--were built exactly
> this way.
>
> It should have an added advantage in being unlikely to injest foreign matter
> from the ground or thrown by the tires; but early rotation has been an issue
> on various jets in the past.
>
> In any case, it is very, very cool!
>
The thrust line looks off to me for good low speed handling during
power changes. My concern would be handling and COG issues for T/O/L .
Fuse may look slippery but that nacelle looks too unfaired. The D-jet
looks like better aeronautical design to my eye -the engine has been
included in the aerodynamics rather than being an add on power pod. I
wait with interest the first flight tests...
My 2c
Cheers
Bertie the Bunyip[_24_]
July 5th 08, 06:55 AM
"Peter Dohm" > wrote in
: 
>> There's so much I don't know about airplane design, but don't recall
>> ever seeing structure so close to the exhaust plume of a jet engine
>> before. I'd have guessed having thrust be in line with the center of
>> gravity would have been a design goal, but they know more about
>> design than I ever will. Never the less, what a beautiful airplane
>> that is. Do they take American Express?
> 
> IIRC, some of the very early jets--especially German--were built
> exactly this way.
Like the Salamander you mean? It wasn't anywhere near as close to 
structure, but in any case it's not all that much of a problem temp wise if 
that's what was meant. 
> 
> It should have an added advantage in being unlikely to injest foreign
> matter from the ground or thrown by the tires; but early rotation has
> been an issue on various jets in the past.
How do you mean? 
Bertie
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